This vote for Brexit has shocked me.
I’ve been trying to write something about it since Friday.
This blog has been carefully non-political (I’ve been tempted on occasion though!) but I feel I have at least to acknowledge that it has taken place.
Yesterday’s attempt was a bit of a rant–and my in-house editor took a red pencil to it!
It helped though, to have had a bit of a rant–like shouting in the car with the windows up.
AAARGHH!
I wrote to a friend yesterday:
We are devastated here after the result.
Still in shock–it’s hard to take in, like the death of a friend.It’s the never-no-more part–the finality of it.Working out the details will take years, but our withdrawal from the grand project that has kept the peace in Europe for 70 years is shameful and dangerous.It is already unravelling in terms of delivering what the “leavers” wanted.
Well, it “remains” to be seen how it will play out.
The way people vote often has an element of self interest.
We live in France and are anxious to know how this will affect our situation.
(An added frustration was the fact that we did not have the right to vote–as we have lived abroad for over 15 years.)
This decision was too important to be decided by a simple majority vote!
Simple majority votes are fine for general elections–when the result can be reversed in five years– but this decision is forever.
I may have to get back in the car….
Robin Ellis 
I know you are usually non-political. I have a blog where I write just about politics. Hardly anyone reads it :). But since you opened up this avenue, have you considered this point of view: 3 different versions:
Paul Mason interviewed (he used to be a British TV journalist)
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/27/making_sense_of_brexit_paul_mason
The Intercept:
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-the-insularity-and-failure-of-western-establishment-institutions/
This American on-line journal:
https://ourfuture.org/20160624/brexit-and-the-new-global-rebellion?utm_source=progressive_breakfast&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pbreak
It’s not just a vote of intolerant bigoted people, and in a way it should not be a shock — though I was shocked and my blog was for Remain. Arguably, had the Greeks had their own currency, they would have gone for Grexit and would have been better off for it.
Ellen
Thanks for these, Ellen–I look forward to reading them.
I’m bothered because in the US (where I live) only 2 kinds of votes for Brexit are represented: one as intolerant, bigoted, wrongly fearful of the “other” (immigrants); and libertarians (the US joke is this party is made up of people who are against stop signs). There is a genuinely leftist case to be made against “austerity” as making it worse for say 90% of the population. This does not appear anywhere in the mainstream US press that I’ve seen.
Cuts to essential services (austerity politics) are playing a larger part in the distress experienced by the less well off than the demands of immigrants. This is not as “sexy” in newsworthy terms perhaps as Farage’s poster showing a long queue of refugees–Syrian for the most part and nothing to do with the EU.
I was also shocked .. but also a bit ashamed. I am also not eligible to vote for the same reason. I think the leave voters were just thinking that it would solve the imigration problem .. it will not. I don’t think they ever thought about the consequencies, and now the country is falling apart, even the labour party. One man on tv said he voted leave because he wanted his bins emptied more than once every two weeks … I rest my case !!! I do hope though that the EU take this as a warning that it might be an idea to slacken the hold a little and give countries a little bit more say about their own country. I can only say that UK will be our “guinea pigs”, we can see how it goes with them before we make any rash decision ourselves. A sad, sad day for UK that will be far reaching. The country is in limbo at the moment.
Thanks for that Ingrid.
It has shocked me too and yes the finality of it is hard to grasp. It’s like a bereavement. I voted Remain and now It seems I will have no say in who becomes the new PM. There is a sombre mood everywhere but racial tdnsobs have erupted. Facebook is full of people telling me to get over myself as if I have voted wrongly in the final of The X Factor. I am devastated, ashamed and angrier by the minute at the national crisis in which I now find myself.
The mood sounds bad, Helen.
I feel absolutely the same Helen.
Robin I’m devastated !! I wanted to remain. The UK feels like it’s in meltdown. We have stepped into an abyss…….echoed by The New Yorker cartoon. There seems to be no real plan now. No solid ground and not even planning permission for solid ground.
………..How easy is it to start your own country ?………….,,,do you fancy a leadership role. I’m ready !! Ros
Thanks, Ros–generous thought but it might be too much like hard work!
Hi Robin,
It’s reassuring to read that others feel as we do. I watched the results rolling in from around 4am on Thursday with utter disbelief. I felt almost bereaved on Friday morning, with the realisation that, not only had we (ie the UK) put in train such a devastating move, but that our personal dreams of retirement to France are now in jeopardy. I am also appalled by the xenophobia and racism that are being displayed by people. This is indeed a very dark time for us all.
On a brighter note – there’s nothing quite like a good rant in the car – just as well people can’t lip read (mostly)! 🙂
All the best to you and Meredith (very envious that you are already there!)
Debbie
Don’t give up your team, Debbie! Ranters of the world unite!
Sometimes I think it’s worse when people vote AGAINST their own interest. In the long term the exit must be a bad thing and it looks like it is even in the short term. The “remain” folks in GB have been making false promises. I’m from the U.S. so I can only hope that the Trump supporters can see what a disaster policies similar to his are (and that they’re false promises anyway) and they rethink their support for him this November.
Hope so too, Ellen.
You got THAT right, Ellen! Guess I’m not the only one fearing self-destruction politics!!
You do not know me, but this decision makes me cry. I am classified by the young as one of those to ruin their future, but I voted remain. And now the abuse of residents has started just because of their colour, creed or religious beliefs. This was illegal on 27 June and must continue to be so. It was not a decision to be made by referendum given the lack of truths from either side. The unemployed moan about immigrants taking over, but only by doing more for the economy than they ever will. OK. My rant over as I know I am in the weeny minority (NOT).
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Enjoyed your rant, Betty–thanks.
I too am “over 65” and voted to remain. Am very upset that young people are blaming us for the result. It might have helped if they had all voted but unfortunately I think they are now outnumbered by our generation anyway. A bad day for the UK!
Well done for voting as you did, Jan.
It’s the young that matter.
I’ve been watching and waiting for your thoughts on this; couldn’t help but wonder about your reaction. So, thank you. I would have voted to “stay,” too, but they didn’t ask for votes in Florida. Love the Time cover.
Thanks, Karen.
I’m living in Longmont, Colorado….Love the Ministry of Silly walks New Yorker cover. I feel very bad that this has happened. To me, it appears like a whole lot of uninformed, frightened schoolkids decided that “something” had to be done and well, we’ll stick out tongues out and show ’em how scared we are and just reflexively vote no. Maybe it will take SO long, that everyone will change their minds…I heard on the BBC yesterday that one of the German speech givers seemed to imply that that body he was addressing should never close the door on a Brexy return to the fold…maybe I was mistaken. In any even I hope this does not negatively impact you and Meredith. We love Britain [and have lots of ancestors from the isles…] despite what happened in the Am Revolution and why Poldark tried to do to us…LOL. Eating Well Is The Best Revenge I always say. Hope to be hearing about your garden, and cats—they will just go on as if nothing happened, dear lillies of the field. That’s what I think of when I get discouraged or down. Stevie de Longmont
You will Stevie–thanks.
Hello Robin just a note on your comments about us leaving the EU…. as you say you chose to live in France… had you lived in England for those 15 years you may not hold the same opinion…. we have been lied to so many times by all governments about the EU and now is our chance to hopefully get away from unelected bureaucrats and make our own way in the wider world…for me it was Sovereignty over anything else or though unrestricted migration was also a factor.Love your recipes and blogs and wish you all the very best.
Thanks, Malcolm–happy you like the recipes–more to come and more, many more in the books!
The EU is a good thing–a flawed good thing but at base a good thing.
No war in Europe for 70 years is a good thing.
Living in France is no different in terms of Europe than living in the UK.
The pluses of being a member of this club far out way the minuses–in my view.
Leaving it is a disaster and threatens it existence.
It is also my view that the problems experienced in the UK at the moment in terms of public services are as much to do with the Governments austerity politics as they are to do with immigration.
This is not to deny that immigration is a problem given the influx of refugees from war zones outside Europe.
This burden falls most heavily on certain areas of towns.
It maybe you live in such an area.
The answer in my view is not to leave but to challenge from the inside.
Many governments are experiencing the same problems as the UK but they are not leaving.
A united Europe is a peaceful Europe.
The big picture,
Hear, hear!! I’d be shouting from the rooftops, if I could!
From how I understand it, the “devil you know” really isn’t that bad! The UK is suffering the way other middle-class groups are…but it’s not because of immigrants! In America, “austerity politics” have been the ideology because the rich haven’t been paying their fair share of taxes since “trickle-down economics”; all they (Repubs) want to do is cut, cut, cut! So our roads & bridges are falling apart, they cut education, cut environmental & social programs, they make old folks choose between food, heat, or meds– “welfare” is a dirty word ‘cuz they think it’s only for “lazy people” –and rabble-rousers like The Donald actually gain a foothold in politics! They spew hate against anyone who’s not white or whoever disagrees with them–and they do all they can to stale-mate the country (in Congress) while hiding behind a veil of false patriotism!
I don’t know enough about Farage to comment about him, but do you think the Trumps of the world give a poop about the working man? (He’s happy the pound has dropped so more people will go to his resort in Scotland!) Or family values? (Trump and Newt Gingrich: 2 men, 6 wives!) Or keeping jobs in our country? (How many companies has Trump exported for cheap labor?) “Keep our country great!” HA! Makes me wanna PUKE!!!
But some people are still BUYING it! Just like in the UK!
Sorry, my rant for the day, Robin!
We’re kinda powerless to fix it, sadly….
Thank you Dianne–great rant and all true.
Brexit has shocked me too Robin. I am devastated, ashamed and angrier by the day at the national crisis in which the UK now finds itself. I voted Remain and leaving the EU is like a bereavement for me. I am being told to “get over myself” by patronising Leave supporters. Racial tensions and hate crimes are in evidence all over the country. It is truly horrible and my worst nightmare.
Thanks Helen
But surely a person who has not lived in a Country for 15 years, has not contributed in any way to that Country, but to the land they have resided for all those years. Love & Respect my friend.
Shawdian
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Don’t get your drift..?
I sincerely respect your views Robin (although I do not share your vision of and for, as I see it, is a growing federalist superstate which has too much unaccountability). This has been a terrible time for all of us whichever way we voted. I have been appalled by the irresponsible labelling of leave voters as extremists and bigots etc etc and the unrest now is lamentable and unhelpful. I hope that the remain camps worst fears never happen and that the leave voters hopes transpire! What is sure, is that most of us voted for intelligent and considered reasons on both sides. I think that the section of real bigots was much smaller than portrayed. Sadly they have always existed and will continue to exist in most countries. You comments will be read with empathy, understanding and interest by all who know you, even your new acquaintances
I hope your “hopes” prove realistic Dorinda.
I think we may have to form an orderly queue and join you in the car to have a full-on rant! Completely agree with your sentiments, Robin – I can’t believe that the British nation has, in one fell swoop of its collective pencils, voted to chuck away 40 years of hard won trade agreements, peacemaking initiatives and progress. It’s heartbreaking and the most frustrating aspect is that there seems to be nothing one can do about it… as you say- Aargghh!
One two three all say–Aarrgghh!
Still coming to terms with it and all the implications here, Robin. Everything feels rudderless right now. I’ve never known anything like it.
Tout a fait, Rachel–rudderless, yes.
I like and agree with what you wrote – but, frankly, Robin, I would have enjoyed reading your rant. However, your post was carefully written but still honest. mission accomplished! I share your apprehension about the future (although, not being a British subject living in Europe, this does not affect me nearly as much.) My opinion: besides the xenophobic ridiculousness, there were some principled reasons to consider Brexit, but I don’t think any of them outweighed the cost of leaving. Were I British, I would have not hesitated to vote Remain.
Agree 100% Chris–thanks.
Robin and Meredith, we feel just the same as you. What a mess! If only we could put the clock back,,, Though I can understand those who voted for leave if they live somewhere where there is high unemployment, no hope for the future and they feel completely forgotten by the government. A protest vote.
But like you I feel that the best way to change how things are, is by being part of them.
Vicky and Mark in North Yorkshire
Thanks Vicky and Mark–je suis tout a fait d’accord avec vous!
Robin,
I had wondered since the vote how it would affect you and Meredith.
Along with many people around the world, the demagogic candidate for President of the U.S. has me worried.
The U.K. at least has the advantage of having a parliamentary system and perhaps a change in government will allow the U.K. to pull back since there does not seem to be much confidence in either party now.
It is becoming somewhat apparent that neither the Tories or Labour did much of anything to educate the populace regarding the benefits or drawbacks of leaving the EU. The NY Times had this op-ed on June 28th.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/opinion/brexit-takes-jeremy-corbyns-labour-party-to-the-brink.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0
Perhaps a new government can make overtures to Angela Merkel and other European leaders and not invoke Article 50.
Here’s a link to the rant that John Oliver did on his show “Last Week Tonight.” If does contain a few f-bombs, but you may find it as cathartic as you did when you put your rant on paper.
http://last-week-tonight.eu/
I love the New Yorker cover. How appropriate to use a Ministry of Silly Walks to show how the vote went off the cliff.
Best,
MARLA
Thanks, Marla–I enjoyed John Oliver’s lovely rant–hope it made him feel better!
I voted for leave but it seems now it was pointless. The dictatorial EU will now still be holding us to ransom by restricting free trade agreements by free movement of peoples conditions. Its not about racism just numbers.We are only a small island compared to other EU countries how many numbers of people can this country continue to take in? we are already at breaking point. Also the Uk people voted David Cameron in, he instigated the referendum, now everyone is in denial about the outcome and he jumps ship, he should stay and do the job he was voted in to do, not create more chaos, I thought better of him. Sorry I’m being very political!! But this country is bankrupt and cannot continue to accommodate the ever increasing numbers who might wish to come here, it only makes sense, our services,NHS doctors, NHS hospitals, schools, are all at breaking point. People are dying waiting for treatment, it cannot continue, what other way is there, sensibly?
John Cassidy has an interesting column in this week’s New Yorker about Brexit.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/why-brexit-might-not-happen-at-all
Marla – the demagogic candidate for president has many of us worried, here, in the US. I always want to issue a blanket apology for him, whenever he leaves the US. (Why he thought being in Scotland, after the Brexit vote, and praising the outcome was a good idea, is something I will never understand. My hopes that an errant golf ball would clip him in the head were not realized.)
Robin – I strongly agree with you that a simple majority vote was not the way to go. At all. Is there any hope for another vote? I saw something on the news about three million people signing a petition to have another vote. Is there any chance of that happening (I hope)?
I fear it’s a done deal and no amount of signatures will change anything.
Mary Eman – our favorite word to describe ”him” is ‘odious’. All the synonyms apply as well, in our opinion. Agree re the errant golf ball !!
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english-thesaurus/odious#odious__1
Mary Eman, Robin and Mary B.,
I live in Geneva, Illinois which is 40 miles west of Chicago. I agree that odious is apt description of the U.S. version of Boris Johnson. It’s amazing how similar they appear (twins separated at birth?).
I hope that the election result in November in the U.S. has a better result than Brexit.
For anyone who is interested, the New York Times allows people who do not have a subscription to view 10 articles per month on line.
I enjoy reading the columns by Paul Krugmen, who won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2008. He has written consistently about the dangers of austerity in a recession. He has been on vacation this week. His columns appear on Mondays and Fridays and he also writes a blog called the “Conscience of a Liberal.” I’m looking forward to seeing what he writes about Brexit when he returns from vacation.
Hello Robin,
This vote has shocked and stunned both Sandy and myself.We were unable to comprehend it at first as we sat watching the tv in a holiday cottage on the north coast of Scotland.There was crashing in the kitchen, ranting and great sadness as we came to terms with the result.
The bigotry and racist comments, the insidious sly asides , the overt nastiness of UKIP and it’s policies are insupportable.Our country is in total disarray, communities and families are divided and individuals are fearful of their place in our society.
The “experts” were rubbished and a distorted madness has prevailed. The government is in tatters.
Scotland as a whole voted to Remain.Those who did not vote for independence a few months ago but voted to remain united with the UK are in an invidious position now and it would be entirely possible that a vote to become independent would become much more of a reality in the future.Why?
Well,the Scots who wanted to be part of Europe and the UK are now not part of Europe because England voted us out.The only way to be part of Europe is for many of us to reflect on the situation and to vote SNP in the hope that an independent Scotland can be part of Europe.Northern Ireland has an equally difficult decision to make and is in a more critical political position with Southern Ireland as it’s border.And what of London, an island in a stormy sea?
I have said enough except to add that I hope tolerance, clear thinking and balanced planning will help us survive this catastrophe.
Arlene
Good to hear from you Arlene and to hear what you say about the Scottish dilemma.
Say Hi to Sandy,
Dear Robin,
I voted to remain.
If we left I could only see trouble ahead. I voted when in my early twenties to enter the EU. The 70s were a time of shortages, with food going up in price every day, even fuel rationing – yes it’s true. We had the Asians who built Uganda’s economy leaving – another migration – we have always been a place of safety for those in peril, at that time from the monster Idi Amin. We have, and always will be, a mongrel nation, from the Vikings, Normans, Saxons, Romans, Celts, Hueganots, Jews, the Polish during the war. When I heard the news I couldn’t believe this country was heading for fascism, by 2%. I felt as if I’d lost a close family member.
How could people think it’s going to be OK? It’s removed our Government and our opposition rather effectively, attacks on migrants have increased,it seems we are on the edge of anarchy.
The pound dropped to it’s lowest level, the big banks getting ready to move, the EU brought enormous amounts of money into Cornwall, Hull and Wales.In Cornwall supporting childcare facilities such as Kerens (for abused children), and Startup nurseries and care for young families. Yet they voted out – and now want to negotiate keeping the money. They can’t have it both ways.
As a country we don’t produce much of anything any more. So every import will cost dearly. We have always had control of our own borders, that had been negotiated with the EU and we have taken less refugees than anywhere else.
Taxes will increase to cover the losses.
As for the NHS, Farage has already said the 35million will NOT go back to them. Taxes will go up to pay for it.
EU working directives will not be in force, so you’ll work longer for less.
As for the City, you may not like them, but they are your employers, the people
who sort out your pensions, savings and mortgages.
For all those people who say we’ve got the power back – whar power have you
actually got? NONE.
Yes I’m ranting, that’s what us baby boomers do best. Try to set the world to rights.
I’m with you all the way Robin.
Vive la Revolution BREMAIN!
Margaret
Well said Margaret! And feel free, like Lizzie, to rant on!
The fact you are saying that means your dream won’t fade.
And well said about the history of the UK.
Let us dwell on that.
Watching the result come in was shocking. We(my husband Nigel) and myself didn’t actually believe it. I felt that i did not recognise the England that we are living in. To try to understand what had happened i started asking myself questions. Was i out of touch? had i fully understood the implications of Brexit? Was i missing something? The conclusion was no. I felt i had voted fairly, with my conscience, and that although the Eu is a cumbersome and sometimes annoying institution, i am positive that it has helped protect workers rights and has reigned in the excesses of many a Tory Government. How long after we leave will these rights be eroded? how long till the capital punishment agenda be on the table again? The leave campaign lied on so many levels it was breathtaking. Over the next two years the horse trading will begin, and i fully expect that to allow trade with the Eu, they will want open borders.This makes a mockery of the migration argument. Europe is essentially socialist, something that our government does not want anything to do with.
Ok rant over. On a personal note i feel that as a nation we have been enriched by different cultures. We have a polish daughter in law, a research scientist, who has been part of a team that has developed a drug that has cured skin cancer, and we are so proud of her. It will benefit the whole of society. So it saddens me when i see on the news “polish go home”. Who are these people that have these racist views? How did their life experiences make them into what we are now seeing? The Tory Government has opened Pandora’s box, and i fear the Furys will do much damage.
Ok rant definatly over now, but thank you for the opportunity and I do hope that this does not effect you and Meredith living in France. I bought your cookery book when you were in Fowey, and have had loads of fun trying out the receipes.
Lizzie
Thanks for this, Lizzie and feel free to rant on!
Hi Robin, I have been one of your silent non-commenter persons until now. I enjoy your food and your very entertaining blogs and your lovely cats, have been a fan of yours for years and am a few months older than you.
My husband and I am devastated by the result of this uninformed vote; the racism has started already as we knew it would and the divide has become so much wider. The ‘Dumb them down and Divide and Rule’ started with Thatcher and has continued ever since and it seems that we will have Trump in the White House and Boris Johnson over here and we will not be laughing then, will we?
As for the million people who wish they hadn’t voted and wanting another chance(?) they will have to learn by their mistakes the hard way, if they know how!
Lots of good wishes to you and Meredith,
Kristin
Poulton-le-Fylde
Lancashire
Thanks for this, Kristin.
I must make my comments carefully because I am American (who loves POLDARK and doesn’t want to be jettisoned from this blog) who admittedly does not understand the day-to-day lives of the English.
That said, England has been the leading country one earth since it came into existence — in my opinion. I have high esteem and respect for the British people, and I also have high esteem for independence. I feel that the economic turbulence will settle and things will hopefully improve for all even though it may be challenging — but I am an optimist. The English were strong and free before the EU and will remain so afterwards, in my eyes anyways.
My feeling is that people do not enjoy being led around by their noses — we can all take it for a while, but when it becomes outrageous to a person of normal sensitivities, people will react. When the lying and bullying and arrogant actions of the “Elites” and politicians become unbearable, and leave us unsafe and economically stressed, people will react and try to retake a hand in their own destiny.
When I was a kid in the fifties and early sixties, adverts would appear in the Sunday newspapers for an item known as a ‘built-in swimming pool.” A luxury, for sure, a goal, but it was possible for people to carefully save their money and purchase one if they desired. Now — what do we see in the adverts? A little imported wire corner shelf designed for holding bathroom tissue — is this what is meant for all of us? Is this all we can afford or aspire to, at the hand of the Elite’s and politicians who lie, bully and claim they are one of us? A routine medical exam no long includes what it once did. Thank you, Elites!
Seriously, I don’t know what is entirely good or bad about the EU, but I know that the US needs some house-cleaning. And, as there is “nothing new under the Sun” as my Native American Indian friends used to say — maybe it is also true, to some degree, in England and elsewhere.
I’ll understand if you omit my comments, because they are very politically involved, but at least I’ve had my rant, too.
With best and most loyal wishes —
The politicians did not do a good job explaining the impotence and benefits. We are the world.Global.It is sad and shameful. What next
It is the lack of true understandingby the people
It is big news here in the U.S., and we are also in shock. Now we have to make sure we don’t make a mistake in our election, either. Scary world out there!
As an American and Anglophile looking at things from across the pond, I have to say that we saw hints of ‘Brexit’ years ago with our visit to of all places Poldark’s haunts. Our hosts were originally from London but opted to get away from the city considering many things that affected their perception of the city. I can say they unequiviocally did not like the changes. That was 2006. It seems to have taken 10 years for the rest of Britain to follow suit. They were like the canaries in the Brexit mine.
I wish Britain the best in its path. And sorry I don’t go for fellows like Farage who seems to want to have Britain in a cocoon alone and blind as it will protect the country from global issues. This retreat from Europe is not what I envisioned from a great country who has given us parliamentary democracy and Magna Carta. Let us hope Brexit will not bring Britain off the world stage and continues to contribute to solving the globe’s difficult problems.
I read your reply with interest
But could you explain why if you have not lived in the UK ft so long did you feel disappointed at not voting
This was a UK vote for UK residents and I’m not sure why anyone living outside the UK should have been allowed to vote
I do appreciate your opinion
Strange times we live in
I just think why did so many millions of people want this – and I look at the issues and which areas voted overwhelmingly to leave
And I hate that it’s caused so much disputes between family and friends
Thanks Sonia.
Two things.
We have not lived in the UK for a long time but our pensions are paid from there and Brexit will affect our status here in as yet unknown ways.
We will certainly no longer be citizens of the EU for instance.
There is at the moment much cooperation and reciprocity between UK and the countries of the EU. How much of that will survive is not known.
I believe Brexit threatens the break-up of the EU which will be a disaster for Europe and by extension the world.
There has been peace in Europe since the end of the Second World WAR–not a little due to the existence of the EU club where members are less likely to settle disputes with guns as happened so terribly in the first half of the 20th Century.
I am sorry to learn that you and Mrs. Ellis are concerned about your legal status in France/EU now that the referendum earthquake is receding, leaving a great unknowing in its wake. You now might agree with the statement attributed to Lord Macaulay (probably wrongly) that “the franchise is the symbol and instrument of a free man’s right to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country”.
I try to avoid political comment, as my own views as somewhere to the right of Louis XIV, so will merely say that the decency of ordinary people is often overlooked and that when all the turmoil and the shouting cease much good will and hard work will no doubt be found to hand. In the meantime, in the words of Prime Minister Asquith, “let us wait and see”.
In this case I agree 100% with Macaulay!
As I posted on M’s fb page: Since when is foreign policy conducted by referendum? If a candidate wants to run on a particular foreign policy platform, so be it–that’s a voting process, and then the elected official works through procedure and channels to try to get it done, or not. But foreign policy, in these dangerous and complex times, decided by a show of hands!? What was the PM, et al thinking?! That is abdicating responsibility, then throwing up his hands and saying “You lot figure it out, now.”
Agree absolutely, Elaine.
Why didn’t you answer Malcolm’s post? He is right in what he says, we are fed up with being lied too. I am fed with my country, which by the way, I love too much to leave, being forced to implement laws made by faceless unelected men in Europe.
I just did, Ruth.
Robin
I am so sorry regarding your position and not being able to put your cross on the ballot paper- so unfair.
I am also in a state of shock and distress. This anti European feeling, wanting to build the walls and keep the migrants out .. I understand that this is the impact of austerity when so many feel that there is not enough to go round – this needs understanding but …
And the stories today of attacks against Polish residents and others who are considered to be migrants .. it seems to have legitimised racism
I would hope that people would meet with kindness when they come to the UK ..
And Poldark country where I live was strongly Leave!
Ross would have been for Remain!
One more comment, please — Americans can’t imagine what it was like to have lived in England during WWI or WWII, but many of us have had relatives who fought and sometimes died in those wars. That said, we have friends from England who lived here in the US for a few years back in the nineties. They would sometimes say, “Better Red than dead.”
This comment always troubled me — how can an American step into our English friends shoes and see through their eyes? But in my heart, I truly feel that the European wars are finished because of the defeat of terrible forces and the generational enlightenment which followed — it has held so far, and I hope it is owes to education and decency and evolution of thought. I would feel disheartened to think that peace results from a group of bureaucrats making rules for everyone, but maybe it is. But I still have optimistic faith.
Robin, what a sadness!
Sipping my morning cappuccino last Friday I dropped the spoon at hearing that Cameron had resigned. I rightly deduced that most of UK had voted “LEAVE” and searched for news in internet.
I was shocked and disappointed, but not very much surprised. We have always been considered “The Continent”.
I am deeply sorry for the 48% who voted “REMAIN”, my English friends, my Italian friends living there who are trying to understand the consequences, and sorry for myself too as an Italian graduate in English language and literature with a strong passion for British culture and grown up with a personal European feeling. I believe that 52% of the British are those who have rarely travelled and lived on the Continent and/or had their children made the same experience. Nationalists, isolationists and FEARFUL. I understand them. But with those dear British citizens we could have faced our fears together, as THEIR fears are OUR fears….
Well said Paola.
Facing fears together–shared fears.
Legitimate fears but shared, less fearful.
Your words were a comfort to us here in Cornwall (surrounded by Brexiters shouting hooray) – we are devastated, bereaved and can’t see a glimmer of hope from any leader on offer. Be glad you are there in La Belle France and just pray this doesn’t mean a huge shift to the right across Europe. Thank you for having the courage to speak out and pray for poor Blighty – toute seule. Best wishes to you Meredith. Carolyn
Thank you Carolyn–words much appreciated here in France–still a member of this essential club.
Very interesting discussion because this is currently the top issue in Europe. In my view as a non-Brit Cameron has this completely underestimated. I was surprised at the result and the British exit weakens the EU even further.
There is much to criticize about the EU and the EU needs to reform itself but the EU is not to blame for everything.
We have so many problems and uncertainty (effects of the financial crisis/high debts, globalization, refugee crisis, poverty, youth unemployment, danger of terrorism …). Unfortunately, there’s no easy solutions. But if every country thinks only of his own interests it will be difficult for a community.
I wish the best for the British people and the EU also (“Keep calm and carry on”)
Robin, can you apply for French citizenship?
Best wishes,
Martina
“But if every country thinks only of his own interests it will be difficult for a community.” On the button, Martina.
We are applying for citizenship here. We want to remain European–which is how we feel. WE will both retain UK citizenship.
Meredith is a US citizen too.
It has shocked me too. I’ve always known that in Britain there are many people who don’t feel themselves Europeans, besides that the United Kingdom has never adopted the Euro. But this vote changes things in a way I don’t like. I’m thinking about many British people living here in Italy, working here, perfeclty integrated, some of them married to Italians and having Italian friends. I’m thinking to many Italian people living in the United Kingdom, having friends there, working there, perfectly integrated… Each of us is a citizen of the world, people going from a country to another in order to study or work there must have the possibility to do it. Reciprocal knowledge and respect are the only way for people coming from different countries to live peacefully. I graduated in foreign languages because I’m curious about languages and cultures which are different from mine, I like meeting people and speaking with them, always discovering something new but at the same time recognizing the human being in front of us. That is the only sure basis for a long peace.
A propaganda based upon the fear for Terrorism, immigration, and economical problems has convinced people to vote “leave” without letting them think about the real consequences of their vote and about the real causes of their problems.
This evening I spoke with the English teacher who is giving me lessons for the Advanced test: she is upset, really angry and worried about future. She’s been living in Italy for more than twenty years and believes in multiculturalism, in cultural exchanges and in Europe as something where similarities are more than differences.
I’m sad for all this and worried for our future, especially for my children’s. What kind of world are we going to leave them, if people are divided by frontieres, by laws, by misunderstanings, if they are not free to move and know each other?
(I beg your pardon for my English)
Marina Saladini
Thanks Marina for this thoughtful comment with which I agree 100%.
Dear Robin,
I did a long lengthy reply, expressing how much I agreed with you and most of the comments above – but I got interrupted and ended up ‘losing’ my comment. It’s now half past midnight so it’s too late for me to ‘re-do’ what I said before and my iPad has just told me its got 5% battery charge left. However, I’m sure you’ll totally understand if I just shout “Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhh!”
Thanks for the shout!!
I too was very saddened to hear about Great Britain . I didn’t think about the majority vote, but it makes sense to rethink majority when it comes to a permanent situation. My thoughts are with the British at this time and I hope things work out for the best.
Hi Marie–you are right about the majority vote.
Dear Robin:
I shall not be in France for another few weeks (I live not far from you part of the year), however, I’d liken the Brexit decision to Saturn eating his children. The prospects of the U.K.’s young will be lessened as a result of the short-sightedness of the older generation voting “Leave”. I am keeping my fingers crossed, but think that more continental Europeans believe in Europe than the rants of the ultra right-wing figures in France, Italy and Holland would have you think.
I compare the reaction of British politicians to that of a man, married many years who engages in a torrid affair. He approaches his wife asking for a divorce, then tuns tail when he realizes what it will cost. –And she says –“Leave! Now!”
What happened in Britain is worrisome, but I hope the infection will not erupt on the Continent.
Best,
Marta Varela
We, in the US, heard little concerning “Brexit” till two days prior to the vote, I suppose it would be fair to say that we are all overwhelmed with national problems no matter where we live. I’ve learned greatly from the opinions expressed here today, and I am impressed with how many times the word ‘bereaved’ has been used. At the end of the day, I feel keen sympathy that you were not allowed to cast an absentee ballot — how rude and mind-jarringly annoying this must be. I deeply hope that you both gain French citizenship swiftly. Please let us know of your progress, and thank you for the education.
Robin, I’m shocked that you are not happy for the UK! I’m an American and I think it is wonderful! I’ve seen the changes in the UK and in my opinion it is sad. The English culture is wonderful! Be proud of it. We in America owe a debt of gratitude to the Brits. They have been revolting and standing up for freedom since the days of King James in the 17th Century. Rejoice! I wouldn’t wish the EU on anyone! It is made up of unelected bureaucrats who operate in secret. There is nothing democratic about the EU. The only countries in Europe who seem to be doing well are the ones who never joined. I hope all of the countries get out of that mess called the EU.
(You probably won’t post my comments. But that’s okay. I’ve had my rant.)
I agree with you robin. It will make things worse for everyone
I and many, many others in my country are sick of having to abide by laws set, not by our government but by people in Brussels who were not voted in by us.
You bemoan the fact that you were not allowed to vote, poor you. You have lived abroad for 15 years, why should you have the right to decide our fate? You are applying for French citizenship?Good for you.
Robin – I was shocked to read how many people voted to leave and are upset now because “they didn’t think their vote counted.” As an American, the vote does impact me directly, but it does sorrow me as I see a strong united Europe as a good thing. And I hope this vote isn’t a harbinger of things to come with our own election. If Trump is elected (God forbid), many of us will want to move to Canada. But it’s too cold for me, so I may look to join you there in France. -Leslie
I hope that in the end it will make very little difference. My complaint is that a referendum was held at all. We elect MPs to represent us in parliament, be strong and make decisions on our behalf, not to arbitrarily pick certain topics for referenda (referendums?). If there had been a referendum in 1938 Chamberlain’s Peace in Our Time would have won the day. Then where would we be? We wouldn’t be.
The EU referendum campaigns were irresponsible: full of lies and scaremongering on both sides. It’s impossible to gauge what will actually happen but it may not be as disruptive as you fear. The EU may not continue to exist in its current form forever anyway.
It doesn’t matter which way each of us voted. We all had our reasons for doing so. Its just so frustrating that now the vote is over and the results in, nothing seems to be moving. There’s a lot of passing the buck, blaming one side and then the other, and not enough right this has happened so lets get things moving and work with it, make the most of what has happened. Lets get on with it and move forward, not stagnate and moan. We should now be looking to the future.
Same here. Day 1 shock, Day 2 numbness, Day 3 a rant … I also noted the similarities to bereavement. You wake up each day and it’s still true. Now, I’m beginning to relish the new challenge I face in living in another EU country (for the time being we can use the word ‘another’). I hope you can do the same, although it’s going to take us all some time. Incidentally, I have no problem with being excluded from the vote – it would have looked as if it was rigged. However, I expect you noted in the Queen’s speech last year that we were promised votes for life after the referendum. Do you think that will materialise?
Robin,
You made the comment that Ross (Poldark) would have voted for Remain. However, I feel certain that Demelza would have voted to LEAVE!
She had an innate sense of justice , , ,, right and wrong. She would never tolerate those secretive unelected bureaucrats in Brussels bullying the British people. She would have revolted!
We here in America are facing a similar situation with faceless bureaucrats, as well as elected politicians who ignore their constituents and bow to their big donors. (Always follow the money.) Further, we plan to change all that in November by voting in Donald Trump. And, yes, we get labeled as racists, bigots, xenophobes, and . . . especially by those who are profiting from the corrupt mess in DC. However, we let those derogatory names roll off like water on a duck’s back. They are not going to bully us into submission by calling us hateful names. We’re going to take back our country, just like the Brits have done. They’ve always been role models for Americans.
P.S. I still enjoy your recipes and books, even if I don’t like your politics. But that is what freedom and democracy are all about. Isn’t it?
Well, I agree with you, Mr. Ellis Very shocked about the result of the referendum—I voted to stay with Europe.
Today, of All days, is not a day to be ashamed of being British. Whatever the result the EU referendum, you live in the British/commonwealth blood soaked soil of a democracy. A democracy in crisis, in near tatters, but still alive. Have read your blog, understand your views. Haven’t seen a word from you in thanks for the sacrifice given from a lost generation, that gives you the right to your opinion in the English language. You’ve lived a wonderful life on the back of a successful story set in Cornwall – turn your back all you like, but today, here in Cornwall,the poorest county in the UK, pays the highest water bills, our children can’t afford to live here, we’ve watched our fishermen burn their boats because they had no choice, we pay for emergency rescue of foreign fishermen (who sell our own fish back to us) – the list goes on.
It seems sad to me, that your fortune built on the back of fairly accurate depiction of a county in crisis, is swept aside because you live in France. This English county is in crisis still, perhaps more so, in many ways.
Don’t expect you will read this, or reply. It will make no difference to me because although your recipes are predominately aimed at helping with diabetes, I follow them avidly because I have severe thyroid disease. Same symptoms, same endocrine failure – you could sell more cookbooks! C
I read this quote the other day and it made me think of The UK and Brexit.
“The way in which the man of ‘genius’ rules is by persuading an efficient minority to coerce an indifferent and self indulgent majority.”
-Sir James Fitzjames Stephens
You could interpret this coercion as “fear mongering”.
Thank you for that, Maureen–on the button.
I really think the pro-exit folks thought Cameron would have to clean up their mess but he shocked them all when he handed them the broom.
All who love Cornwall ( and you, Robin, among them, we may all be sure) will sympathise greatly with its current problems but have they really been caused by the EU?
Indeed, the EU has put millions into Cornwall’s economy and into regeneration projects. So do those who voted Leave think a Conservative govt, or UKIP politicians ,will match these sums?
The same might be said of all areas in the UK currently facing deprivation. Leaving the EU will probably threaten the success of more prosperous areas- many overseas firms, we know, are already saying they might move out, taking jobs with them- and that will hardly help the whole country will it?
( see https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/business/europe/)
Sorry, Mary, but in my opinion there are more important things in life than the “bottom line” or profit. I agree with Brian of Jersey. Even if remaining in the EU is profitable, is it worth having women afraid to venture out for fear of being raped and attacked, because they are “infidels.?” I don’t think so.
Here in America we’re experiencing the same, due to the globalist policies of the current and past administrations of both parties that are joined at the hip with Angela Merkel and her EU.
Now we have the opportunity to elect a non-politician who cares about our country, and the UK. Hopefully, we can get him elected in spite of the main stream media, international corporations and billionaires that love cheap labor. They don’t have to worry, because they reside in gated compounds with armed security guards 24/7. It is the rest of us who have to suffer, as well as our crumbling infrastructure: Bridges collapsing, broken down airports, unsafe highways, abandoned factories, 50 million people on food stamps, 96 million unemployed, which defies the false unemployment rate.
Adding to our problems, we are burdened with people who have not been vetted (the FBI claims that ISIS is infiltrating the refugees being brought in), they do not speak English, know nothing about our culture, and do not assimilate. But the corrupt elite/globalists who benefit from this mess want to transform America into a trading bloc of serfs. No, thanks! I want my country back! We want our Amexit!
P.S. Contrary to the elitists who paint Donald Trump supporters with a broad brush as uneducated hicks, I am a college grad and friends of mine who support Trump consist of a cardiac surgeon, nurse, civil engineer, CPA (certified public accountant) police officer and fire fighter. We’re up against a very powerful, corrupt, greedy establishment, but hopefully we will prevail, otherwise, we will lose America, and the entire world will suffer as a result. Wish us luck!
All I can say is, if Trump becomes president, god help us all!!!
Last night I was watching the PBS Newshour, a very trusted nightly news medium here. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw reportage on the plight of immigrants who are now settled in Britain. An actual sign noted ‘No Polish vermin’. Stunning. From that, it would appear that the far right is now using Brexit as an excuse to direct their hate for ‘the other’. Shades of xenophobia. Shades of the dark 30’s.
Rich
Glad that wasn’t happening when my husband’s ancestors came to America….or my French ancestors! We wouldn’t be here! (Saw a cartoon once of our “Founding Fathers….” the Native Americans!!) 🙂
I agree totally, it is disgusting but the lowlife doing this are racists who are using Brexit as an excuse to spread their evil. Shades of the dark 30’s.I don’t think that’s the case and I am sure that the minority who are doing this will soon crawl back into their sewers.
Dear Robin, I thought I would write my views about Brexit and put forward what a lot of ‘Brexiteers’ were feeling. For too long, faceless overpaid bureaucrats in Brussels have dictated how we should live our lives here in the UK, from the prices we pay for our food and clothing, to the size and colour of fruit and vegetables. Do you know how many farmers have gone out of business because supermarkets won’t accept their crops because they don’t conform to the dictates of the EU? Farms that have been in the family for generation after generation gone down the pan because the carrot was too small, not orange enough, or the wrong shape. Does it matter what colour or size food is? Food is food, and millions of pounds worth of food are wasted every day because supermarkets won’t sell them. ASDA occasionally do a box of ‘wonky veg’ but not very often. Any food that isn’t ‘aesthetically’ pleasing to the eye could always be put into soups, or ready meals, or even donated to shelters for the homeless – but it isn’t – it’s thrown away! It’s criminal; it’s insane. That’s just one of my rants against Brussels and its stupid laws. And far from being selfish we ARE thinking about the young people.
They don’t know what Hitler did to anyone who wasn’t blond-haired and blue-eyed; he was trying to build a super race and anyone who didn’t fit that mold was put into concentration camps and gassed. If you were homosexual, had different religious beliefs or were of an ethnic minority, you would not have survived. It’s thanks to my grandfathers who both fought in the last war that we have the peace, liberty and freedom we have now. If Hitler had won the war, the world would be a very different place to what it is now and I, for one, want the GREAT to be put back in Great Britain. We can only do that if we are responsible for our own laws and not what people tell us we have to do.
I’m sorry if this goes against what most of your respondents are saying, but I’m entitled to my own opinion. Pauline
Unfortunately, its been fear mongering on both sides. I don’t think either side’s campaign did them justice or gave the people the information they needed to make an informed vote. All we can do now is move forward and try to make the most of our country and what we have to offer.
Hi Robin, Brian from Jersey here, first of all I have to say that as a Jerseyman though forced to call myself British I was one of the many who were not considered worthy of a vote, however I have to say I am delighted with the outcome. I only want to make one comment if I may and say that the referendum was not exactly won on the basis of politics but on the basis of racism. To explain what I mean. The highest percentage of the voters of the no faction were the elderly and it seems the reason for the no was the belief and indeed hope that this will close the door on immigrants. I sincerely hope it does. My girlfriend is Swedish and cannot wait to leave as her government has ruined the country by allowing immigrants which have now over run the country. almost every day a Swedish girl is raped or murdered by muslims as was happening in German a couple of months ago. Swedish girls are frightened to go out alone at night and now gangs of guys go out to protect them. It wont be long before they go out armed and then it will become open warfare. Britain has had the guts to say no and look at the countries now wanting to do the same Italy, France, Finland etc etc. It doesn’t say a lot for the EU. Indeed the EU is saying it needs to make radical changes to stop a total break up. That in itself says Britain was right, The EU was not prepared to negotiate with Britain but now it will have to make wholesale changes.The likes of Angela Merkel were convinced it would ruin Britains economy by loss of trade agreements but now she is the first to offer new trade agreements. Share prices which dramatically dropped the day after the result have now bounced back to a new high. Britain can now make its own rules and laws again, have control of her boarders and has the opportunity of being great again. Sorry to disagree Robin but everyone is allowed an opinion and I respect yours. Brian Villette
Regarding Mr. Villette’s comment….
Racism point taken as one of the many rationales for Brexit. But I would suggest Britain is playing with a loaded gun if she will practice the politics of exclusion when it comes to offering life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for potential residents who would become part of Britain’s electoral and parliamentary democracy. Brexit should not preclude Britain from trying to work with the spirit of Schengen. As a democratic nation it behooves her to continue to implement democratic strategies in relation to people seeking a better quality of life. It is a difficult challenge but it can’t do less if Britain intends to continue to make its mark after seemingly ditching Europe and its wayward ways toward union.
Rich
I love Poldark and admire Robin tremendously, but I disagree that Brexit is a bad thing. Free trade can continue among the European nations even with Brexit. That will continue to provide an incentive against needless war. But a united Europe can subvert local and national folkways that make each community and nation unique. An overbearing centralized bureaucracy is not consistent with the freedom carved out in Britain from centuries of struggle against tyranny. We continued that trend here in America.
I am an American but English descent.
Here is a column from TLS (July 1, 2016) by Adam Thorpe (Freelance), like yourself a British-born person now residing in France. He tells stories of others and offers a French context. He is worried about what will happen in France in the near future too.
http://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/freelance-756/
I thought of you as I read it and that you might like to read it.
Thank you, Ellen.
We are living in strange, conservative times … here in the US also.
OT from Brexit …..Once again France has been in the position of experiencing another grave and deadly terrorist attack in Nice. And we are with the French at this dreadful time. Hollande is correct. It will be a ‘long battle’ against those who would want to take away ‘liberte, egalite and fraternite’.
Rich
Until the leaders in France put an end to the “no go” zones where even the police fear to tread. the terrorists will be free to conspire against good innocent people enjoying the fireworks, taking a stroll in beautiful Nice, or dining out. We conservatives in America are attempting to prevent the “no go” zones from forming here. It is my understanding that BREXIT was the first step in eliminating “no go” zones in the UK.
I’ve read that the French Prime Minister Valls said that France must “learn to live with terrorism.” What on earth does that say other than acceptance of defeat or cultural suicide?
If Brexit means do something now to save yourselves, I’d go for it, as I hope we do here in the US in November.
We are profoundly bereaved and shocked to see the tragic attack in Nice, but when will the pitiful memorials of stuffed animals, floral bouquets and candles stop being enough?